Comments on: Why Cert Examinations are Biased (Non-Wow Topic) http://Phase3Profit.net/2009/07/why-cert-examinations-are-biased/ from World of Warcraft Auction Hall Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:22:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Zekta Chan http://Phase3Profit.net/2009/07/why-cert-examinations-are-biased/comment-page-1/#comment-5950 Zekta Chan Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:31:24 +0000 http://Phase3Profit.net/?p=1389#comment-5950 Thanks for leaving me comments :) As you said, it’s the world of different there. It’s a problem of the lemon market, the employ don’t know someone works great or sucks before their hire you. All the could do is guess, a cert examination is one of the place they look for clue. The more clueless the employee is, the more the look for cert. What the IT manager told you is true, it happens on the software engineer hiring process. Always had a senior programmer to screen out the canadate, Cert is nothing in the industry. I had tons of classmate who sucks in programming, yet manage to get their degree completed. So unless you test out their strength with real question, you’ll never know how good (bad) they are. But given a employee had 200+ application a day, it’s just not possible for them to check every canidate like this, sadly… Thanks for leaving me comments :)

As you said, it’s the world of different there.
It’s a problem of the lemon market, the employ don’t know someone works great or sucks before their hire you. All the could do is guess, a cert examination is one of the place they look for clue. The more clueless the employee is, the more the look for cert.

What the IT manager told you is true, it happens on the software engineer hiring process. Always had a senior programmer to screen out the canadate, Cert is nothing in the industry. I had tons of classmate who sucks in programming, yet manage to get their degree completed. So unless you test out their strength with real question, you’ll never know how good (bad) they are. But given a employee had 200+ application a day, it’s just not possible for them to check every canidate like this, sadly…

]]> By: Rob http://Phase3Profit.net/2009/07/why-cert-examinations-are-biased/comment-page-1/#comment-5947 Rob Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:53:59 +0000 http://Phase3Profit.net/?p=1389#comment-5947 I’m getting ready to take the CCNA myself. I’ve been told it’s now significantly harder than it was, and there is a good amount of material. Yet, its not a board certification exam level, its on the level of a high-school graduate. There is a world of difference there. If a HS grad can pass the exam, it isn’t worth much. If it takes a PhD to pass the exam, and even then the fail rate is high, then the exam is worth more (my wife just passed her boards, got an immediate 10k raise, with more to come). A IT industry hiring manager told me once that the certs are not worth the paper they are printed on, and he doesn’t even look at them. He looks at experience, plain and simple. If you have no experience, then I think the exam is worth something, but the kicker is that since its HS level, the equiv exp. is high school level. Thus its actually quite tough for someone to retool and become a network engineer for example, since by definition you either need your cert exam, or years of menial jobs which grant you some but not enough xp). It is a game, granted, and some of the certs seem to be truely worthless. I would never go to one of those boot camps, pay $5000, 7 days, pass the exam; I dont think having a ton of certs under your belt with no xp is any better than 1 or 0 certs with no xp. I’m getting ready to take the CCNA myself. I’ve been told it’s now significantly harder than it was, and there is a good amount of material. Yet, its not a board certification exam level, its on the level of a high-school graduate. There is a world of difference there. If a HS grad can pass the exam, it isn’t worth much. If it takes a PhD to pass the exam, and even then the fail rate is high, then the exam is worth more (my wife just passed her boards, got an immediate 10k raise, with more to come). A IT industry hiring manager told me once that the certs are not worth the paper they are printed on, and he doesn’t even look at them. He looks at experience, plain and simple. If you have no experience, then I think the exam is worth something, but the kicker is that since its HS level, the equiv exp. is high school level. Thus its actually quite tough for someone to retool and become a network engineer for example, since by definition you either need your cert exam, or years of menial jobs which grant you some but not enough xp).

It is a game, granted, and some of the certs seem to be truely worthless. I would never go to one of those boot camps, pay $5000, 7 days, pass the exam; I dont think having a ton of certs under your belt with no xp is any better than 1 or 0 certs with no xp.

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