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Gold Guides
Personally I don’t hate gold guide…
To me a person that:
Slacking < Begging < Buy Gold < Gold Guide < Learn How to make gold free online < Discover how to make gold
The reason Buy Gold is lower than buying gold guide, is that at least you try to learn and be a capable person.
However that depends on the gold guide is worthy or not.
In Wow, there are already enough “I rather grind” people around. And I would said, We nearly covered every single gold making method out there. With common and market sense, you can make your life easy at wow.
1. If you had the incentive to pay $20 for learning from a gold guide, I would suggest you look around for free advices
2. If you just want to earn gold fast, go buy gold
3. If you want to buy a book that promise that’ll lead you to success, but you can’t proved it otherwise, since you’ll never had time to read it. Buy Gold guide (Or any other book that for “Personal Improvement”)
It is not rocket science on making gold in Wow, if you care enough, you can learn a lot from the AH. Most of the people just don’t bother (The big Gap on the Buy Gold | Gold Guide/Learn)
Start trading today and you’ll be fine,
forget paying $ for gold guide. Not because they are evil, it’s just not necessary.
The Fight
I don’t have much feeling with the fight, tbh, I don’t give a damn. It’s like a pushy salesman pissed a target, and he posted the conversation online, Simply as that.
The event Tobold mentioned may be shady, but I don’t upset with the “social engineering” thing too much. I wouldn’t say Markco is not greedy, but he’s doing something every salesman and telemarketing will do.
Is it all that matter when it get involved with gold guide thing or the “evil gold buying” related thing? Sounds like an overreacting to a taboo to me
Background
While I am not a JMTC Dweller, I do hang out on the JMTC IRC hosted by Carbon.
These people are amazing. And I thanks Markco for laying down the foundation block by providing the resources. (No matter if it’s investment for his gold guide)
The forum is mostly run by admin, which is voluntary by the dwellers.
Don’t judge the community by Markco and the blog, they are awesome people there.
On a side note, I really feel upset when Forum filled with AD and the Premium Member subscription needed for searching, google-search blocking and as an asset aside for his gold guide.
I know there are spending on hosting, but blocking the search is too much, the contents are not from you, Markco
Be warned, Greedy will be your undoing Markco
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November 21st, 2009 at 9:38 am
Im Periluna , and I bought a gold guide.
I didnt regret it then, and I dont regret it now. It was when I first started playing, right before BC came out. I knew about forums.and I read those . I knew players have blogs, and maybe my search fu was weak , but there just werent that many about making gold out there.
It was an online guide, so I got it immediately( he still updates it.) I actually still look at it now and then for fun. It did help me learn some about the game too. ( I solo, so no guild)
Eventually more and more money making blogs popped up, and I stopped refering to it so much.
Maybe I was a noob, but I just dont think that much info was out there before like it is now.
November 21st, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Indeed, it was hard back then.
I did learn my trade thru gevlon and fellow bloggers, and learnt a lot.
It was a great time to learn by myself,
and thus I know where to look for,
and that sharpen my sense of market as well.
Once you get the rope finding another one is just as simple as that.
I am not sure if Markco teach that in the guide since I never look into it, but that quite miss the point for a guide.
And that’s one of the most valuable thing I learnt from writing this blog.
As I said, I don’t hate gold guide. And I really like people who are really eager to learn (willing to pay $20 for a gold guide is a good indication on that). Self-help people should never be hated.
AS for the state of blogosphere now, buying the guide is not worthy anymore….
November 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am
I think another big thing that us experienced auction house players forget is the TIME it takes to find and delve through the masses of information available.
There is a lot of information out there, but there is so much that it is hard to find the truly useful information between all the filler.
Not only that, but often all these things are disjointed, with no clear connections between them.
All the time and effort (and ’search fu’ as Periluna calls it) are an expense to anyone looking to learn – and these all have an attached ‘cost’. As such the literal cost of an online product is sometimes offset by these often overlooked costs.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Opportunity cost, Good point you have there.
To some people, that $20 is comparable cheap for getting the information fast.
On purchasing the information directly, you may miss the chance of learning to seek the smell of money around.
Which is the main thing that separate a noob from a pro and one of the thing that you can take home with you out of Wow.
In the age of information, In the past we value people who had the knowledge, rewarding them for memory. However, we reward information seeking, understanding, interpreting and action now. (This deserve another post later as well….)
November 21st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
I wanted to respond to this post, but I feel my response is a little lengthy, so I posted it on my blog at http://bit.ly/6IjTr2.
November 21st, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Nice to see you had setup a blog
which is the very first step to have a conversation on the blogosphere. (And, avoid the chance of being deleted by heavy comment deleter. e.g. Gevlon)
You prove a point that may be true that they may think that
“if the tips are good, the guide must be great”
But is it ?
I can’t tell, since I never bought one, and most of the people in JMTC community never did (I did a informal simple poll on the IRC at the very day of the Gevlon’s post)
The logic don’t necessary follow. This may be a trap-pit on online material.
In the case of gold guide, only the first purchase really matters.
If the buyer find it good, and he’s really a goblin,
he’ll probably just take the info and give it to his friend, instead of suggesting them to buy separately.
Now, if I am a gold guide seller, why I would the best information kept in the book instead of posting on the blog?
Thanks for the idea, so that we can elaborate more at the incentives of the seller.
November 22nd, 2009 at 1:49 am
Firstly, I’d like to thank you for complementing me on my blog. It really is a step that I feel many players should just take. The benefits of blogging, and having your own blog, definetily (in my opinion) exceed the disadvantages.
So, you’re right. How do you know if the guide is good. You will never know the quality of the entire guide until you buy it. However, when players are desperate, they tend to make that assumption that if the tip is good, the guide is good, which is false. The only way to know is to buy it. You put it best, it’s a “trap-pit.”
The challenge the seller faces is what piece of his guide he needs to put out there. That is the hard part. You want to give people a small top that helps them make a little gold, but at the same time, it doesn’t give away the rest of the guide.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
On a small talk with a dweller on JMTC, we found that the Markco’s forum success had adverse effect on his gold guide. Since the free information on the forum is overwhelming, decreasing the incentive of buying the gold guide. Which is kinda ironic to me. But on the other hand attention about Wow econ is awakening, if Markco didn’t put up a forum for it, someone else will.
I always like the term “Fated Uncertainty”. There will be a Wow-Econ Community, since the demand are there, and Markco wisely started the first step.
And thanks for you comment again, hopefully you’ll get a nice experience on blogging
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:44 am
Goldbuying better then slacking or begging?
I’m surprised you even mention it at all.
Goldbuying is equivalent to paying someone else to hack into your own friends computers, steal their passwords and rob their account dry.
I despise goldbuyers, they have no idea what kinda filthy industry they help maintain.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Account hacking is against Criminal law.
While Gold Selling / Gold Buying is against EULA…
There is a distinct different for it.
A person who hack account for gold selling is violating both.
Of course I am against account hacking…
I believe most of the gold in the market is from farming, but not hacking.
Since the cost of hiring a farmer is much cheaper than hiring an hacker.
Why gold buyer is better than slacker and beggar, because at least they are willing to put their own effort on it, not leeching on others !
November 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 pm
It’s interesting that you say that. I share your feeling for gold-sellers, but I’d like you to further elaborate, why do you feel that goldbuying is worse than slacking or begging. There’s nothing wrong with believing so, but I’d just like to understand.
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Umm, next time if you are replying on fellow commenter, please use @commentor_name at start. It’s the common practice on blog commenting. I was thinking you’re talking to me when I read this
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 am
You can dream all you want but account hacking plays a major part in the schemes of gold sellers. You can say as much as you want “but most of it comes from farmers” but it isn’t true.
Everytime you see a level 1 spamming in your capital for goldsites or whispering you about free mounts it is a hacked account doing that.
It is natural to justify things to not make you feel bad but goldbuyers are the only reason there are so many hacked warcraft accounts.
Tell more it’s from farming, maybe it makes you sleep better. But next time a friend or a guildie or your brother gets hacked: you know it’s because some goldbuyer decided to buy gold.
November 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 am
(well I did click reply but my script blocker must have ignored it)
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
@Orcstar
We had article detail explained how farming gold can be done for sales (http://www.sed.manchester.ac.uk/idpm/research/publications/wp/di/documents/di_wp32.pdf)
While I fail to see the hacking and stealing as systematic as the Gold Farming Company.
Of course anyone whole stole account will strip any single penny from it for profit…
However that don’t implies every gold seller is hacker.
As in example: A thief selling TV from a broke in, do not implies all TV seller as thief.
We had proved that Farming Gold is very systematic and thus I believe it’s the main source of the very gold seller sell.
Please state your prove on “They are all hacked”
Or even, a valid example of Hacking as profit as the farming companys…
On the other hand the Level 1 whisper may be from Seth on his experiment.
Thanks Debussy for the article at his blog
November 24th, 2009 at 9:06 am
The idealised view of a kid in a poor country making a dollar by killing virtual creatures is false.
Goldfarming is much/has become harder then just hacking accounts. So, the gold sellers have changed their ways.
http://d8c.org/2008/08/10/rmt-and-you/
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?feature=3740&bhcp=1
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