(1) I can get into any 5-man I want. Even when I first started tanking and was really bad, I could still get into groups. If I wiped them a few times people would get mad, but I have never had a problem getting into a group.

(2) It used to be very hard to find a healer. Now, since dual specs, it is easier. I think also that the changes to badge gear and general inflation of gear have made it easier on mediocre healers. Healers who simply weren’t good enough to get through H-UP in i200 blues (with a similarly geared tank) now have ready access to i226-i245 gear through badges alone. This is also true, obviously, for new tanks. So, gear inflation has made all players seem better in heroics, and dual specs have created more healers.

(3) The amazing thing to me, as a geared tank with a regular 10m run, is that I can not get into an endgame 25 run. The simple math of it holds up, ie: in a 10 man you need 2 tanks; in a 25 man you need… 2 tanks (maybe 3). That ratio means I have to find 11 more good dps and 4 more healers to put on top of my current 10 man run if I want to tank it, and those odds are daunting. We’ve been trying to do it in guild, but throwing new raiders into 25 mans is very hard.

1. In a 25 man raid, only two tanks are actually required. Therefore a lot of former tanks re-spec to dps.

2. New tanks get discouraged b/c tanking is much harder than dps’ing (although fortunately tanking is much easier than it was in BC). Then all the dps and healers start whining and dropping group everytime there is a wipe.

Also, if a tank isn’t geared, there is no way he can hold AOE aggro against a bunch of geared dps who are randomly picking targets and get annoyed if the tank tries to mark a first kill.

3. The healer shortage has gotten much better since duel spec’s, so it’s not as big of an issue anymore. Although similiar to tanking, it’s harder than dps (b/c a mistake means a wipe) and it’s hard to start off as a healer. Healing requires specific addons. If you don’t have the installed and fine tuned than unless your tank is good and geared you won’t be able to keep your party alive while the dps pull aggro like noobs and then whine.

Sneaky changed the post as well…

Thank you

But yet we tolerance the healer and tank to a much better extend… (With dual spec, we had yet more “fake” healer and tank).. that’s what this post I am looking into…

Thanks for the comments (Sorry for replying so late )

What I’d like to see is this: More GOOD tanks and healers STANDING UP FOR THEIR GROUP! That Huntard that refuses to STOP casting Volley before the Tank has aggro? Kick them out. The rogue who pulls aggro, or adds by being in the wrong spot (or getting revealed when stealthing too far ahead of the tank)?

Kick. Them. Out.

There’s no reason to tolerate crappy DPS.

I’m a warlock. I pull aggro a LOT on “new tanks”. This means I have to monitor myself. I’m wearing almost all Triumph emblem level gear. I KNOW that my threat is insane.

It’s time to start holding DPS classes responsible for themselves, instead of putting it all on the few good tanks and good healers out there. (agreeing with you Orcstar).

I’ve been in a group with equally bad tanks/healers though. “I can heal this with one hand behind my back.” Eight wipes later (due to a horrible lack of healing on the tank), I really couldn’t respect that healer anymore.

DPS: LFM Daily heroic, last spot tank.
Tank: Ok I can join.
Tank joins.
DPS: GTFO you only have 27 k hp noob!
Tank is kicked. (By a dps in leveling gearing doing barely 1k dps)
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Tank: please attack skull first then the rest.
DPS attack everything but skull gets aggro and dies.
DPS: L2tank noob.
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Geared dps with a new tank: dps keeps pulling aggro: l2tank noob.
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DPS ninja pulls and dies: l2heal noob.
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etc.etc.etc. for new tanks this game can be really harsh, people expecting a 42k hp tank for heroic is the least, it’s asy to let yourself get carried by good tanking and healing and just roll a dps.
It doesn’t how bad you are as a dps, as a tank it does.